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Pig Hunting - Bow? Do any Bow hunters out there have any suggestion for good locations or lodges to go hog hunting. The closer to southern California, the better. I am talso thinking about flying out of state to a hunting .......any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Wild pig hunting? In the opinion of experienced hunters, would an SKS in 7.62x39 be enough gun for a razorback hunt?

Hogzilla II: hunting, or target practice.? Story posted on Yahoo news May 25: Three hunters were hunting wild pig in the southeast US. Two adults armed with high powered rifles, and a young child armed with a high caliber pistol. The pig weighed over 1000 pounds. The boy shot the pig 10 times with the pistol, and tracked the pig for over three miles before executing the animal with a final point blank shot. Bear in mind the adults said they were always ready to dispatch the animal with their high powered rifles IF the pig turned and charged. I am no hunter, but seems to me the hunting ethic should be dispatch the prey quickly and as painlessly as possible. Guess there are no animal rights laws covering such behavior?

how do i buy a gun in california? what do i need to do to get a hunting license in california? I'd like to go pig hunting in california. starting from scratch, what is the requirement to buy a gun, and get a hunting license? i know in many states a hunter safety program is required.

I will be going hunting for wild pigs or do you call them boars? It's in New Zeland? A mate over there has a gun license and will be hunting with him but would like to buy my own gun. the last gun I have shot was a 22 bolt action rifle as this was over 10 years a go I have no Idea what kind of rifle I want must be able to have a scope put on it. My mate say a 303 but I have no Idea if that would be good for a novice. I would perfeer one with only a little feed back as I bet my aiming is not to good. I would like to only pay up to $1200(aus $ not usa $) as I will probley have problems getting it back to Austrila. the I'm thinking I'll only need one that can fire up to 180 meaters away. I don't think he got any pig dogs so it going to be a bit harder. Hope you can help a novice hunter let me know if you need to know more.

should i take my bordercolliexstaffy pigging? he has the ability to chase and hunt down animals. not afraid to give it all ago. chases roos after you shoot them. want to know form other pig hunters what sort of dog would they take? he is more staffy than anything and just wants to do it. never been forced to do it. but with other animals he is fine. doesnt attack horses, other dogs, cats or poeple to that fact.

What is needed to hunt wild pigs? I am a hunter in Colorado and I plan to hunt pigs in texas sometime this year. Do I still need to get tags and a license to hunt them, I heard they are freegame as long as you have some sort of weapon.

Lord of the Flies this is only one para. read it and tell me if it is written properly or if any mistakes? The boys quickly lose their identity physically as well as mentally. Jack and his hunters as long as they are on the island want to have fun and hunt pigs. Whenever, Jack sees a pig the desire to kill and a rush of "madness comes into his eyes". Jack is one of the first boys to lose his identity and convert himself to a savage that has no concern for humanity. Jack and his hunters paint their faces inorder to capture pigs"they understand only to well the liberation into savagery the concealing paint brings". When they capture the pigs they abandon the rules of civilization and stop caring that they are taking the life of a living and breathing thing. As they take the pigs life they all have knowledge inside of them that "they are outwitting a living thing, imposing their will upon it taking away its life like a long satisfying drink". Ralph, Piggy, and Simon try to maintain order on the island but Jack and his desire to bring evil to the island overpowers the good. is continued...

Lord of the Flies this is only one para. read it and tell me if it is written properly or if any mistakes? The boys quickly lose their identity physically as well as mentally. Jack and his hunters as long as they are on the island want to have fun and hunt pigs. Whenever, Jack sees a pig the desire to kill and a rush of "madness comes into his eyes". Jack is one of the first boys to lose his identity and convert himself to a savage that has no concern for humanity. Jack and his hunters paint their faces inorder to capture pigs"they understand only to well the liberation into savagery the concealing paint brings". When they capture the pigs they abandon the rules of civilization and stop caring that they are taking the life of a living and breathing thing. As they take the pigs life they all have knowledge inside of them that "they are outwitting a living thing, imposing their will upon it taking away its life like a long satisfying drink". Ralph, Piggy, and Simon try to maintain order on the island but Jack and his desire to bring evil to the island overpowers the good. is continued...

Hey guys!..I just need you to check my essay about Lord Of The Flies..Thank you very much!? LORD OF THE FLIES It all started when a plane crashed in an undiscovered island that caused a fire on almost half of it. The plane carried a group of boys, no girls, parents, guardians, or any grown-ups. It is difficult to get stranded on an island, especially for inexperienced boys for they are just boys! Furthermore, their task is incredibly daunting! Not all of them have experienced being independent in their lives because almost all the decisions that affected them were made by their parents and families. After the crash, the boys became friends and soon they voted one of them as chief, Ralph. Ralph tried to make a good community with rules, do’s and don’ts, responsibilities and jobs. For example, Sam and Eric, they’re keeping the fire burning in the mountain so that if anyone notices it, they’ll know that someone is on the island, some are for building shelters, and others are for getting food and water. Ralph wants an organized group, he wants everybody to participate and do their jobs, so he always calls an assembly using Piggy’s idea of a conch shell. Piggy is a fat, poor breathing asthmatic boy who is also unfortunate enough to be near-sighted that is always with Ralph and never had the same point of view as Jack’s. At first, everyone obeys Ralph’s commands. Nobody questioned him nor argues with him. Then a boy named Jack shows a desire for leadership. He always takes a different side from Ralph’s ideas. The more pigs that he killed, it shows more power for him. He considered himself as the lead hunter. He has an extreme obsession of hunting and killing pigs. He wants power, party and having fun all the time. Eventually, he thinks of Ralph as his rival. Ralph is his opposite, because he is a calm chief that wants the best for all of them, and of course, he wants to be rescued. It bothers Jack when he sees Ralph as their chief. Therefore, he decided to have another group, his own group, in which he had a very different way of leading it. They always kill pigs and have party. He became tougher and ruder than before. He has an extreme lust for pigs and blood. He wanted to kill Ralph since Ralph is the only person on that island that is comparable to him. Nobody should be of the same rank as him. He must eliminate Ralph and put his head on a stick, so that everyone else on the island will be afraid of him. He thinks that if he kills Ralph, it would be easy to kill anyone else that annoys him. Jack chose to use the pig’s head as a symbol of his supremacy, his dominating authority. No one could hold his stick but only himself. He is the only person that should talk in a meeting and no one should disagree with him. Like a military man wherein everyone follows all orders, no one has the right to complain, or they’ll be murdered. Instead of a pig’s head on a stick, Ralph used a shell. He gained respect through the conch. He also made a rule that whoever holds it in an assembly has the privilege of speaking, his people shows respect to anyone that holds it. In Ralph’s system, everyone gets the chance of talking and sharing their ideas, even the little ones. Everyone’s voice is heard, they are free to speak their minds without fear of punishment. Ralph and Jack are totally different. They didn’t even listen and understand what the other is saying. Ralph likes Jack but Jack never liked him in return. It is all because of pride. Jack does not want to be in the minority group where he just listen and tag along, he wants to give instructions and be praised. A democratic type of community exercises people rights. People are involved by sharing their concepts that would help leaders to have better decisions. In the novel, Ralph used this type of community. He allowed everybody to talk even though he is the chief. On the contrary, Jack chose the totalitarian discourse community wherein he is the only person who could make decisions. No one else could have a word. He is an autocratic leader. There is no individual liberty. Indeed Jack holds his people’s lives. Democratic community and Totalitarian discourse community both have their leaders. The difference is, the totalitarian leader forbids his people to say any statement about his decision and strategy while in democratic community, the leader permits the citizens to contribute and get involved. He bases his decisions and course of actions through his people’s remarks. In most countries, they exercise a democratic type of community rather than having a totalitarian, military-like, superior leader.

Hey guys can you check this or can you add more for my essay?thank you very much!? LORD OF THE FLIES It all started when a plane crashed in an undiscovered island that caused a fire on almost half of the land mass. The plane carried a group of boys, no girls, parents, guardians, or any grown-ups. It is difficult to get stranded on an island, especially for boys, for they are just boys. Not all of them are used to be an independent kid; they still depend on their parents. The boys met each other, became friends, and sooner they voted Ralph as their chief. Ralph tried to make a good community with rules, do’s and don’ts, responsibilities and jobs. Like Sam and Eric, the twins that are supposed to keep the fire so that if anyone sees the fire, they might get rescued, some are assigned to build shelters, and others are for getting food and water. Ralph always calls an assembly using the conch, which Piggy suggested. Piggy is a fat asthmatic near-sighted boy that is always with Ralph and never had the same view as Jack had. At first, everyone obeys Ralph’s commands. Nobody questioned him nor argues with him. However, Jack showed his desire in leading the group. He is always on the different side of Ralph’s ideas. He considered himself as the lead hunter, and eventually, he thinks of Ralph as his rival. Jack has an extreme obsession of hunting and killing pigs. He wants power, party and fun all the time. On that island, Ralph is his opposite, because he is a calm chief, he wants the best for all of them, and of course, he wants to be rescued. It bothers Jack when he sees Ralph as a chief; therefore, he decided to have another group, his own group, in which had a very different way of leading it. They always kill pigs and have party. He became tougher and ruder than before. He wanted to kill Ralph since Ralph is the only person in that island that could be compared to him. Nobody should be of the same rank as him. He must eliminate Ralph and put his head on a stick, so that everyone else on the island will be scared of him; thinking that if he could kill Ralph, then he could kill anyone that annoys him. Jack chose to use the pig’s head as a symbol of his supremacy, his dominating authority. No one could hold his stick but only himself. He is the only person that could speak; no one should contradict his orders. He is demonstrating a totalitarian type of community. Like a military wherein everyone follows all orders, no one has the right to complain, or they’ll be done. Instead of a pig’s head on a stick, Ralph used a shell to call an assembly, whoever holds this in an assembly has the right to speak. Ralph exhibits a democratic type of community, in which everyone gets the chance of speaking, even the little ones. Everyone’s voice is heard. They are free to say whatever they want to. The two are so different. They didn’t even listen and understand what the other is saying. It is all because of pride. Jack does not want to be in the minority group where he just listen and tag along, he wants to give instructions and be praised.

I need some honest opinions, please? Hi, I wrote this science report for school caIled "Big Cats", covering lions, tigers, and mountain lions. I am homeschooled and don't get graded, so I was wondering if you guys could read it and give me you honest opinions + grade my work. (FYI I'm in 9th grade). Thanks! P.S. I had pictures and cool font in my report which didn't show up on here, so the format may look a little funny, just so u know): Big Cats The Lion: The lion king Lions are the only cats that live in groups, called prides. A pride can have up to three males, a dozen or so lionesses (female lions), and their young. Usually the female cubs stay with the pride after they become adults, but the males will eventually leave to make a pride of their own by taking over the group of another male. The lions within a pride are a close-knit family. The only cats that are social, the lions are very affectionate, often licking, head rubbing, and pawing each other. The males defend the pride’s territory, which is often as big as 100 square miles of grasslands, scrub, or open woodlands. They mark the boundaries of their realm with urine, and roar menacingly to chase off any intruders that are brave enough to trespass on their turf. Lions hunt only when they’re hungry. Animals that are usually prey for the lions seem to sense when they are there to kill and, when they’re not, will even ignore the lions, wandering close to them. The females are the pride’s primary hunters. Though they will hunt alone if the opportunity arises, they often use teamwork because some of the animals they prey on (antelope, zebras, wildebeests, elephants, etc) are usually faster, and sometimes bigger, then they are. Hunting is an organized event. During the dry season when water is scarce, the lionesses will lie by the waterhole and wait for prey to come to drink, then launch an attack. Though the head male lion usually takes little or no part in the hunt, he always takes precedence at the kill, dragging the prey to a chosen spot, then gorging himself before the females and cubs are permitted to eat. Though lions used to be found all throughout Africa, they are now found only in the south Sahara Desert and some parts of southern and eastern Africa. Historically in addition to Africa, lions were found from Greece through the Middle East to northern India. The lion population has also decreased. It has been reduced by half since the 1950s, leaving fewer than 21,000 lions living wild in all of Africa. The Gir Wildlife Sanctuary in India contains approximately 200 lions. Interesting Facts: ·Head and body length (tail included)- approx. 9 ft. ·Weight- anywhere from 300 to 600 pounds, males being bigger then females. ·Height: approx. 4 ft (males.) Females are smaller. ·Lifespan: Usually anywhere from 13-20 years, sometimes up to 24. ·Reproduction: After a gestation period of 15-17 weeks, females give birth to up to 6 cubs, usually 3-4. ·Diet: Carnivorous (wildebeests, giraffe, antelope, wild pigs, zebras, elephants, any other hoofed animal. Sometimes they will prey on smaller animals like birds, hares, and even reptiles.) ·Top Speed: 50 mph over short distances ·Longest leap: 36 ft. ·Distance over which a roar can be heard: 5 miles; both males and females roar. · The Tiger: The eye of the tiger The tiger is the largest member of the cat family, measuring in anywhere from 4 to 9.2 feet long. The male Siberian tiger, the biggest subspecies, can weigh anywhere from 400 to 675 pounds. The Sumatran tiger, the smallest living subspecies, averages 220 to 310 pounds. The females of all subspecies are always smaller than males. They are, on average, 3.5 feet tall at the shoulder. Tigers basically live solitary lives, except during mating season and when females bear young. They are usually fiercely territorial, leaving their scent around their large home ranges to warn others to stay away from their turf. There are nine breeds of tigers: Bengal, Siberian, Indochinese, South Chinese, Sumatran, Malayan, Caspian, Javan and Bali. Of these, the last three are extinct and the rest are endangered. Historically, tigers could be found from Turkey through South and Southeast Asia, to the far eastern shores of the continent. Now, however, the tigers are only found in South and Southeast Asia, China, and the Russian Far East. Although in the early 1900s there were over 100,000 tigers living throughout their range, now there is only between four and five thousand existing in the wild. Tigers occupy a wide variety of habitat, from tropical forests, evergreen forests, woodlands and mangrove swamps, to grasslands and rocky country. They are mostly nocturnal, meaning they are more active at night, and are stalk-and-ambush predators that rely on the camouflage their black stripes provide. Tigers attack by using their immense body weight to their advantage, launching themselves on top of prey and forcing it to the ground. They kill with bites to the nape and neck. Unlike most cats, tigers are very good swimmers and fond of water. They have even been known to kill prey while swimming. Tigers are carnivores, and will prey on deer, water buffalo, and antelope. They have also been known to attack dogs, sloth bears, crocodiles, pythons, and leopards, as well as monkeys and hares. Of all the big cats, tigers are the ones most often though of as “man-eaters”. But in reality, tigers rarely attack humans, and the ones that do are usually very old or injured and are unable to catch other prey. Like Jim Corbett, author of the book Man Eaters Kumaon, said, "A man-eating tiger is a tiger that has been compelled, through stress of circumstances beyond its control, to adopt a diet alien to it. The stress of circumstances is, in nine cases out of ten, wounds, and in the tenth case, old age." A female tiger usually has three to four cubs per litter. Cubs follow their mother out of the den at around 8 weeks and become independent at about 18 months of age. Mothers are careful to guard their young from wandering males that may kill the cubs to make the female receptive to mating. The cubs stay with their mother for two or three years before leaving to begin lives of their own. The Mountain Lion: The lion sleeps tonight… The Mountain lion, also called cougar, panther, and puma, is a large predator that’s at the top of the food chain. Adult mountain lions can weigh anywhere from 80 to 230 pounds, depending on they’re location. They are usually 2 to 3 feet in height and 6 to 8 feet in length from their nose to the dark tip at the end of their tail. Young lions, called kittens or cubs, have spots that fade before they’re a year old. While lions will breed at any time of the year, most litters (anywhere from 1-5 cubs; usually 3-4)) are born in late spring and summer. At one or two years of age, the kittens start becoming independent of their mother. Though cougars are normally solitary creatures, young mountain lions may travel with their littermates for months before completely going off on their own. Semi-territorial, mountain lions mark out their turf by making “scrapes” along the boundary lines. A scrape is a 4-6” mound of dirt and leaves pulled together where the cat relieves itself to leave its scent. The scrape is a signal to other mountain lions, telling them that this territory is already occupied and should be avoided. A male’s territory can be anywhere from 50 to 200 square miles; a female’s territory is usually closer to 50 square miles. Mountain lions are believed to live in the western United States, Florida, Canada, Mexico, and both Central and South America. (See map bellow): Mountain lions are most active at dusk and dawn, but it’s still not unusual for them to travel at anytime of the day or night. Lions have a special adaptation for seeing at night and are easily blinded when caught in a flashlight beam or a passing vehicle’s headlights. These cats are also unique among other predators because when hunting, they often take down prey many times their own size. It is not unusual for a 140-pound lion to take on and kill a 400-pound elk. A lion hunts by silently stalking their unsuspecting prey, then ambushing it from behind and killing it with ferocious bites to the neck. When attacking a very large animal, the lion may reach around the neck and pull its head back, thrusting hard enough to break its neck. The mountain lion is carnivorous. Its diet consists mostly of white-tailed deer, moose, and caribou. They also eat smaller animals like squirrels, mice, muskrats, voles, skunks, raccoons, beavers, birds, fish, and even coyotes. Occasionally a mountain lion will turn to domestic animals for a source of food. Mountain lions are well known for one specific sound that they make: a shrill, piercing, terrifying cry that is often described as “like a woman screaming.” The cats also communicate with growls, hisses, purrs and bird-like whistles, which are probably used by a mother and her cubs for distinguishing location and communicating instructions. Mountain lions usually live to be anywhere from 12-18 years old, but can live up to 20 years old.

Isnt it about time the government put laws in place to save our native kiwi? Wouldnt it be a good idea to stop dogs going into bush lands? the amount of pig dogs that rip kiwis up is enormous. Hunters who say there dogs dont do this are liers, Ive hunted all my life without the aid of dogs (lazy hunters use dogs) and have seen them attack kiwis. The ban off pig dogs in bush lands wouldnt stop the decrease in numbers but its a start. Feral cats, rats and stoats also have contributed to there decline as well as deforestation by money hungry corporations, the likes off Fletcher building and Carter Holt. So why do we stand for it? simple money.

Can someone please proof-read this essay and correct any mistake's ASAP? “If you’re hunting sometimes... you can feel as if you’re not hunting, but—being hunted, as if somethings behind you all the time in the jungle.” It's extraordinary what people are able to overcome from nature since we all depend on society, environment, and culture. The idea of these three classes were able to create the human nature aside it's enactment. Society plays a major role in human nature and the novel clarifies some characters as uncivilized and violent. In the novel the boys were far from society and they were left without rules, punishment, and guidance from those of experience. Without society, the characters in the novel were stranded alone which led to violence, murder and enemies to one another. "Jack made a rush and stabbed at Ralph's chest with his spear... They were chest to chest, breathing fiercely, pushing and glaring." And in Golding's quote, "society traces the defects of human nature," which is true. This incidence's importance is based on how uncivilized Jack has become and his power over Ralph. He wants to dominate over Ralph's leadership skill's by showing fear and violence which led to who survived such an act. Environment is also a major contributor to human nature as Golding's theme statement demonstrates to readers the effects of people developing. The Lord of the Flies environment was based upon survival from the beastie and a leader to aid them whereas there was danger lurking on the island. In addition, a quote from Jack in Lord of the Flies, "I gave you food," said Jack, "and my hunters will protect you from the beast." The character's stranded on this island have a decision to choose which leader to follow, and human nature may have aspects of determining which way to pursue, a planned and domestic leader or a violent type to protect an individual from danger in the environment. In the novel's case, some chose Jack's path and other's in Ralph's stead. Ralph, who was always planned and determined to organize his group and maintain everything socialized as possible, “I agree with Ralph. We've got to have rules and obey them. After all, we're not savages. We're English, and the English are best at everything. So we've got to do the right things.” Meanwhile, Jack did not follow this concept and believed to show fear amongst all the boys in order to overcome as a true leader and better than Ralph since this was his determination. There has been variety of people in the past and present in the world which believe fear is the ultimate power as a leader. Take Adolf Hitler for example, he showed fear among the world and believed to be unstoppable by a surge of power he acquired in his own perspective. And through this, many lives were lost, and the whole world began to fear this leader, similar to Jack as he believed he proved himself a rightful leader. Jack also showed fear by hunting, commanding character's harshly, meanwhile he acquired everyone's belief he was better than Ralph, and that rules were useless. Culture also relates to Golding's theme of human nature. The novel's culture was in dress codes as the hunters developed their own rules which separated them from the other groups. In today's modern world, gangs are very much similar to matter's as these. Their color of clothing and symbol's separates's them from another group, and demonstrates to other's who they were. In Lord of the Flies, Jack's choir placed clay over their faces as their symbol for hunters. The boys and each leader created varieties of ideas. While Ralph was leader, his culture was peaceful and maintained civilized, Jack's led to a violent style of living and a course to survive, "His mind was crowded with memories; memories of the knowledge that had come to them when they closed in on the struggling pig, knowledge that they had outwitted a living thing, imposed their will upon it, taken away its life like a long satisfying drink.” Jack exults in the kill and is unable to think about anything else because his mind is “crowded with memories” of the hunt which explains his violent state. This is all motivated as how one group acts which leads to appearance and style of living changes. It is clear that human nature has been shaped by society, environment and culture. While all three factors are a common thread in our development as humans, it is the unique blending of factors combined with the free will of the human mind that ultimately determine, the final outcome. Don't mind the paragraph seperating's, I got that taken care of. there's obviously 3 good, answers, now i'm stuck!

Ever noticed the timeline to Lord of the Flies is a bit improbable? On the island, a period of one month or more passes, enough for hair to grow. Then Jack and Ralph argue about building shelters v. hunting. Then a few days pass until (consecutive days) day 1. the hunters let the fire out to help with the first kill, so Ralph calls an unsuccessful assembly; day 2. the twins discover what is in fact a dead body on the mountaintop, and the bigger boys circle the island to look for the 'Beast'; day 3. Jack leaves the assembly and most of the biguns join him. He beheads a sow he has hunted and dedicates it to the Beast. Simon enters the party during a storm and is killed by the mob; day 4. Jack and his tribe hole up at the Castle Rock, and at night he and two others steal Piggy's glasses; day 5. Piggy and Ralph demand the the glasses; Piggy is killed. So - headlong descent into barbarism in five days? The pig's head skeletalises in two days. Come off it, Golding! Of course, it shows Golding's skill that readers usually don't notice this. Stanford prison expt? Ah, but that hadn't lasted a month or more with no real problems - to say nothing of the differences between the two situations. And even in the tropics, a pig's head will not skeletalise in two days.

How to improve my character analysis of the lord of the flies? Jack Jack Merridew is first seen on the island leading a group of choir boys, it is a sign of what is to come, Jack shows his ability to dominate the other boys later in the book. Jack wants to be the leader and causes conflicts with Ralph because Ralph was the chosen leader. Jack is a dangerous boy and is leader of the hunters who love to kill and are blood thirsty. The first time Jack went to kill a pig he hesitated but later in the book he doesn’t show any remorse, this shows he has become more savage and blood thirsty. Jack is an evil character, he loses his humanity as the book progresses. He doesn’t like being told what to do and he doesn’t care about other people, he has so respect for others. There are no adults so Jack does what he pleases and doesn’t seem to want to be rescued, he enjoys being a savage. He is not a forward thinker, when he kills a pig for food, he kills the mother, then the babies can’t survive without the mother. This is not a smart move, if they end up stuck on the island for a long time they need to conserve their food supply. Jack doesn’t show any signs of being civilized towards the end of the book. He does not like abiding by rules of any kind. Rules are what keeps peace and without rules things become chaotic. Jack sharpened a stick at both ends before him and his tribe went hunting for Ralph. It is sickening, as it implies what jack would do to Ralph if he was caught. They would have stuck his head on a stick and stick it in the ground, the same atrocity that was inflicted on the Lord of the flies. Jacks purpose in the book is a perfect example of how quickly civilization can fall apart, when basic rules are taken away. One person can have a huge influence on others, some people are more than willing just to follow. Piggy Piggy is a fat kid, he is a forward thinker and wise for his age and would have been a good leader, with those qualities but he is an outcast because of his appearance, he also whines a lot. Piggy’s asthma and vision impairment is seen as a weakness. He is ignored and disliked, he is the target of teasing. “You’re talking too much,” said Jack Merridew. “Shut up Fatty.” Laughter arose “He’s not Fatty,” cried Ralph “his real name’s Piggy.” “Piggy!” “Piggy!” “Oh Piggy!” A storm of laughter arose and even the tiniest child joined in. Piggy is known as Piggy and no-one bothers to find out his real name. When he dies it says “His head opened and stuff came out and turned red. Piggy’s arms and legs twitched a bit, like a pigs after it has been killed. He is not really treated like a human. Through out the book Piggy is one of the few boys on the island who does not want to be detached from civilisation. Piggy even bothers to polish his glasses and this is a sign he does not want to give into savagery as much as others on the island. Piggy becomes good friends with Ralph and acts an adviser to him. Piggy and Ralph have respect for each other. Ralph was only one the boys who really listened to Piggy’s ideas. Piggy had Ralph to protect him. Piggy even tries to defend the other tribe (savages led by Jack) when they kill Simeon because piggy is in denial and is not capable of comprehending the fact that they can commit murder. “It was an accident,” said Piggy suddenly, “that’s what it was. An accident.” His voice shrilled again. “ Coming in the dark he had no business crawling like that out of the dark. He was batty. He asked for it.” He gesticulated widely again. “It was an accident.” “You didn’t see what they did” “Look, Ralph. We got to forget this. We can’t do no good thinking about it, see?” “I’m frightened, of us. I want to go home. O God I want to go home.” Please be as critical as you wish =D

How do I go about this? My son is only five months old. But my partners step-father talks non-stop about 'when he's old enough' he can go hunting with him. I don't agree with hunting - I'm a vegetarian and wish to bring him up vegetarian UNTIL he's old enough to understand what he is eating. Then it is up for him to decide. However, his step dad's career, well, is a "possum hunter". They are, supposidly a pest in New Zealand and he, well, poisons them (with very dangerous poisons not suitable to be around children), finds them later, brings them home and skins them. The carcasses are usually left around the driveway - without a skin. I've also stepped on things such as ears and testes before while visiting. His job is up to him, and job aside he is a VERY nice person. However i feel uncomfortable with him talking about taking him out hunting for possums (and sometimes wild pigs.) Should I leave this and address it when it matters? Or should i or my partner talk to him before he gets carried away...opinions

My Minature Wire-Haired Daschy Froths at the Mouth when she licks Metal - hunter ?? My miniature wire-haired daschy seems to like licking metal (&windows! ) but she froths at the mouth excessively. 1st noticed when I took her to the doggie parlour, and she was in one of the cages. She had been washed and dried but when i picked her up her entire front (mouth, chest legs) were drenched with froth (saliva ?) Even wire fencing has the same effect. Why is this ? Is it dangerous to her health ? What causes it ? What can I do about it ? On another note, my neighbors have guinea-pigs (wire cage mentioned above). She is fascinated by them. I think that she just wants to play as she loves cats. Is it playfulness or does she want to hunt & kill as her breed as a "hound - hunter" depicts? She has never killed anything before (now 3yrs old) - and mostly tries to catch Geckos!! - should i be concerned that she might hunt them ? i can't imagine that she would ever hurt anything.. ????

Poll: Did you like The Oddysey or The Iliad better? I liked the Iliad better. This was my favorite part: Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another. And which of the gods was it that set them on to quarrel? It was the son of Jove and Leto; for he was angry with the king and sent a pestilence upon the host to plague the people, because the son of Atreus had dishonoured Chryses his priest. Now Chryses had come to the ships of the Achaeans to free his daughter, and had brought with him a great ransom: moreover he bore in his hand the sceptre of Apollo wreathed with a suppliant's wreath and he besought the Achaeans, but most of all the two sons of Atreus, who were their chiefs. "Sons of Atreus," he cried, "and all other Achaeans, may the gods who dwell in Olympus grant you to sack the city of Priam, and to reach your homes in safety; but free my daughter, and accept a ransom for her, in reverence to Apollo, son of Jove." On this the rest of the Achaeans with one voice were for respecting the priest and taking the ransom that he offered; but not so Agamemnon, who spoke fiercely to him and sent him roughly away. "Old man," said he, "let me not find you tarrying about our ships, nor yet coming hereafter. Your sceptre of the god and your wreath shall profit you nothing. I will not free her. She shall grow old in my house at Argos far from her own home, busying herself with her loom and visiting my couch; so go, and do not provoke me or it shall be the worse for you." The old man feared him and obeyed. Not a word he spoke, but went by the shore of the sounding sea and prayed apart to King Apollo whom lovely Leto had borne. "Hear me," he cried, "O god of the silver bow, that protectest Chryse and holy Cilla and rulest Tenedos with thy might, hear me oh thou of Sminthe. If I have ever decked your temple with garlands, or burned your thigh-bones in fat of bulls or goats, grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. He came down furious from the summits of Olympus, with his bow and his quiver upon his shoulder, and the arrows rattled on his back with the rage that trembled within him. He sat himself down away from the ships with a face as dark as night, and his silver bow rang death as he shot his arrow in the midst of them. First he smote their mules and their hounds, but presently he aimed his shafts at the people themselves, and all day long the pyres of the dead were burning. For nine whole days he shot his arrows among the people, but upon the tenth day Achilles called them in assembly- moved thereto by Juno, who saw the Achaeans in their death-throes and had compassion upon them. Then, when they were got together, he rose and spoke among them. "Son of Atreus," said he, "I deem that we should now turn roving home if we would escape destruction, for we are being cut down by war and pestilence at once. Let us ask some priest or prophet, or some reader of dreams (for dreams, too, are of Jove) who can tell us why Phoebus Apollo is so angry, and say whether it is for some vow that we have broken, or hecatomb that we have not offered, and whether he will accept the savour of lambs and goats without blemish, so as to take away the plague from us." With these words he sat down, and Calchas son of Thestor, wisest of augurs, who knew things past present and to come, rose to speak. He it was who had guided the Achaeans with their fleet to Ilius, through the prophesyings with which Phoebus Apollo had inspired him. With all sincerity and goodwill he addressed them thus:- "Achilles, loved of heaven, you bid me tell you about the anger of King Apollo, I will therefore do so; but consider first and swear that you will stand by me heartily in word and deed, for I know that I shall offend one who rules the Argives with might, to whom all the Achaeans are in subjection. A plain man cannot stand against the anger of a king, who if he swallow his displeasure now, will yet nurse revenge till he has wreaked it. Consider, therefore, whether or no you will protect me." And Achilles answered, "Fear not, but speak as it is borne in upon you from heaven, for by Apollo, Calchas, to whom you pray, and whose oracles you reveal to us, not a Danaan at our ships shall lay his hand upon you, while I yet live to look upon the face of the earth- no, not though you name Agamemnon himself, who is by far the foremost of the Achaeans." Thereon the seer spoke boldly. "The god," he said, "is angry neither about vow nor hecatomb, but for his priest's sake, whom Agamemnon has dishonoured, in that he would not free his daughter nor take a ransom for her; therefore has he sent these evils upon us, and will yet send others. He will not deliver the Danaans from this pestilence till Agamemnon has restored the girl without fee or ransom to her father, and has sent a holy hecatomb to Chryse. Thus we may perhaps appease him." With these words he sat down, and Agamemnon rose in anger. His heart was black with rage, and his eyes flashed fire as he scowled on Calchas and said, "Seer of evil, you never yet prophesied smooth things concerning me, but have ever loved to foretell that which was evil. You have brought me neither comfort nor performance; and now you come seeing among Danaans, and saying that Apollo has plagued us because I would not take a ransom for this girl, the daughter of Chryses. I have set my heart on keeping her in my own house, for I love her better even than my own wife Clytemnestra, whose peer she is alike in form and feature, in understanding and accomplishments. Still I will give her up if I must, for I would have the people live, not die; but you must find me a prize instead, or I alone among the Argives shall be without one. This is not well; for you behold, all of you, that my prize is to go elsewhither." And Achilles answered, "Most noble son of Atreus, covetous beyond all mankind, how shall the Achaeans find you another prize? We have no common store from which to take one. Those we took from the cities have been awarded; we cannot disallow the awards that have been made already. Give this girl, therefore, to the god, and if ever Jove grants us to sack the city of Troy we will requite you three and fourfold." Then Agamemnon said, "Achilles, valiant though you be, you shall not thus outwit me. You shall not overreach and you shall not persuade me. Are you to keep your own prize, while I sit tamely under my loss and give up the girl at your bidding? Let the Achaeans find me a prize in fair exchange to my liking, or I will come and take your own, or that of Ajax or of Ulysses; and he to whomsoever I may come shall rue my coming. But of this we will take thought hereafter; for the present, let us draw a ship into the sea, and find a crew for her expressly; let us put a hecatomb on board, and let us send Chryseis also; further, let some chief man among us be in command, either Ajax, or Idomeneus, or yourself, son of Peleus, mighty warrior that you are, that we may offer sacrifice and appease the the anger of the god." Achilles scowled at him and answered, "You are steeped in insolence and lust of gain. With what heart can any of the Achaeans do your bidding, either on foray or in open fighting? I came not warring here for any ill the Trojans had done me. I have no quarrel with them. They have not raided my cattle nor my horses, nor cut down my harvests on the rich plains of Phthia; for between me and them there is a great space, both mountain and sounding sea. We have followed you, Sir Insolence! for your pleasure, not ours- to gain satisfaction from the Trojans for your shameless self and for Menelaus. You forget this, and threaten to rob me of the prize for which I have toiled, and which the sons of the Achaeans have given me. Never when the Achaeans sack any rich city of the Trojans do I receive so good a prize as you do, though it is my hands that do the better part of the fighting. When the sharing comes, your share is far the largest, and I, forsooth, must go back to my ships, take what I can get and be thankful, when my labour of fighting is done. Now, therefore, I shall go back to Phthia; it will be much better for me to return home with my ships, for I will not stay here dishonoured to gather gold and substance for you." And Agamemnon answered, "Fly if you will, I shall make you no prayers to stay you. I have others here who will do me honour, and above all Jove, the lord of counsel. There is no king here so hateful to me as you are, for you are ever quarrelsome and ill affected. What though you be brave? Was it not heaven that made you so? Go home, then, with your ships and comrades to lord it over the Myrmidons. I care neither for you nor for your anger; and thus will I do: since Phoebus Apollo is taking Chryseis from me, I shall send her with my ship and my followers, but I shall come to your tent and take your own prize Briseis, that you may learn how much stronger I am than you are, and that another may fear to set himself up as equal or comparable with me." The son of Peleus was furious, and his heart within his shaggy breast was divided whether to draw his sword, push the others aside, and kill the son of Atreus, or to restrain himself and check his anger. While he was thus in two minds, and was drawing his mighty sword from its scabbard, Minerva came down from heaven (for Juno had sent her in the love she bore to them both), and seized the son of Peleus by his yellow hair, visible to him alone, for of the others no man could see her. Achilles turned in amaze, and by the fire that flashed from her eyes at once knew that she was Minerva. "Why are you here," said he, "daughter of aegis-bearing Jove? To see the pride of Agamemnon, son of Atreus? Let me tell you- and it shall surely be- he shall pay for this insolence with his life." And Minerva said, "I come from heaven, if you will hear me, to bid you stay your anger. Juno has sent me, who cares for both of you alike. Cease, then, this brawling, and do not draw your sword; rail at him if you will, and your railing will not be vain, for I tell you- and it shall surely be- that you shall hereafter receive gifts three times as splendid by reason of this present insult. Hold, therefore, and obey." "Goddess," answered Achilles, "however angry a man may be, he must do as you two command him. This will be best, for the gods ever hear the prayers of him who has obeyed them." He stayed his hand on the silver hilt of his sword, and thrust it back into the scabbard as Minerva bade him. Then she went back to Olympus among the other gods, and to the house of aegis-bearing Jove. But the son of Peleus again began railing at the son of Atreus, for he was still in a rage. "Wine-bibber," he cried, "with the face of a dog and the heart of a hind, you never dare to go out with the host in fight, nor yet with our chosen men in ambuscade. You shun this as you do death itself. You had rather go round and rob his prizes from any man who contradicts you. You devour your people, for you are king over a feeble folk; otherwise, son of Atreus, henceforward you would insult no man. Therefore I say, and swear it with a great oath- nay, by this my sceptre which shalt sprout neither leaf nor shoot, nor bud anew from the day on which it left its parent stem upon the mountains- for the axe stripped it of leaf and bark, and now the sons of the Achaeans bear it as judges and guardians of the decrees of heaven- so surely and solemnly do I swear that hereafter they shall look fondly for Achilles and shall not find him. In the day of your distress, when your men fall dying by the murderous hand of Hector, you shall not know how to help them, and shall rend your heart with rage for the hour when you offered insult to the bravest of the Achaeans." With this the son of Peleus dashed his gold-bestudded sceptre on the ground and took his seat, while the son of Atreus was beginning fiercely from his place upon the other side. Then uprose smooth-tongued Nestor, the facile speaker of the Pylians, and the words fell from his lips sweeter than honey. Two generations of men born and bred in Pylos had passed away under his rule, and he was now reigning over the third. With all sincerity and goodwill, therefore, he addressed them thus:- "Of a truth," he said, "a great sorrow has befallen the Achaean land. Surely Priam with his sons would rejoice, and the Trojans be glad at heart if they could hear this quarrel between you two, who are so excellent in fight and counsel. I am older than either of you; therefore be guided by me. Moreover I have been the familiar friend of men even greater than you are, and they did not disregard my counsels. Never again can I behold such men as Pirithous and Dryas shepherd of his people, or as Caeneus, Exadius, godlike Polyphemus, and Theseus son of Aegeus, peer of the immortals. These were the mightiest men ever born upon this earth: mightiest were they, and when they fought the fiercest tribes of mountain savages they utterly overthrew them. I came from distant Pylos, and went about among them, for they would have me come, and I fought as it was in me to do. Not a man now living could withstand them, but they heard my words, and were persuaded by them. So be it also with yourselves, for this is the more excellent way. Therefore, Agamemnon, though you be strong, take not this girl away, for the sons of the Achaeans have already given her to Achilles; and you, Achilles, strive not further with the king, for no man who by the grace of Jove wields a sceptre has like honour with Agamemnon. You are strong, and have a goddess for your mother; but Agamemnon is stronger than you, for he has more people under him. Son of Atreus, check your anger, I implore you; end this quarrel with Achilles, who in the day of battle is a tower of strength to the Achaeans." And Agamemnon answered, "Sir, all that you have said is true, but this fellow must needs become our lord and master: he must be lord of all, king of all, and captain of all, and this shall hardly be. Granted that the gods have made him a great warrior, have they also given him the right to speak with railing?" Achilles interrupted him. "I should be a mean coward," he cried, "were I to give in to you in all things. Order other people about, not me, for I shall obey no longer. Furthermore I say- and lay my saying to your heart- I shall fight neither you nor any man about this girl, for those that take were those also that gave. But of all else that is at my ship you shall carry away nothing by force. Try, that others may see; if you do, my spear shall be reddened with your blood." When they had quarrelled thus angrily, they rose, and broke up the assembly at the ships of the Achaeans. The son of Peleus went back to his tents and ships with the son of Menoetius and his company, while Agamemnon drew a vessel into the water and chose a crew of twenty oarsmen. He escorted Chryseis on board and sent moreover a hecatomb for the god. And Ulysses went as captain. These, then, went on board and sailed their ways over the sea. But the son of Atreus bade the people purify themselves; so they purified themselves and cast their filth into the sea. Then they offered hecatombs of bulls and goats without blemish on the sea-shore, and the smoke with the savour of their sacrifice rose curling up towards heaven. Thus did they busy themselves throughout the host. But Agamemnon did not forget the threat that he had made Achilles, and called his trusty messengers and squires Talthybius and Eurybates. "Go," said he, "to the tent of Achilles, son of Peleus; take Briseis by the hand and bring her hither; if he will not give her I shall come with others and take her- which will press him harder." He charged them straightly further and dismissed them, whereon they went their way sorrowfully by the seaside, till they came to the tents and ships of the Myrmidons. They found Achilles sitting by his tent and his ships, and ill-pleased he was when he beheld them. They stood fearfully and reverently before him, and never a word did they speak, but he knew them and said, "Welcome, heralds, messengers of gods and men; draw near; my quarrel is not with you but with Agamemnon who has sent you for the girl Briseis. Therefore, Patroclus, bring her and give her to them, but let them be witnesses by the blessed gods, by mortal men, and by the fierceness of Agamemnon's anger, that if ever again there be need of me to save the people from ruin, they shall seek and they shall not find. Agamemnon is mad with rage and knows not how to look before and after that the Achaeans may fight by their ships in safety." Patroclus did as his dear comrade had bidden him. He brought Briseis from the tent and gave her over to the heralds, who took her with them to the ships of the Achaeans- and the woman was loth to go. Then Achilles went all alone by the side of the hoar sea, weeping and looking out upon the boundless waste of waters. He raised his hands in prayer to his immortal mother, "Mother," he cried, "you bore me doomed to live but for a little season; surely Jove, who thunders from Olympus, might have made that little glorious. It is not so. Agamemnon, son of Atreus, has done me dishonour, and has robbed me of my prize by force." As he spoke he wept aloud, and his mother heard him where she was sitting in the depths of the sea hard by the old man her father. Forthwith she rose as it were a grey mist out of the waves, sat down before him as he stood weeping, caressed him with her hand, and said, "My son, why are you weeping? What is it that grieves you? Keep it not from me, but tell me, that we may know it together." Achilles drew a deep sigh and said, "You know it; why tell you what you know well already? We went to Thebe the strong city of Eetion, sacked it, and brought hither the spoil. The sons of the Achaeans shared it duly among themselves, and chose lovely Chryseis as the meed of Agamemnon; but Chryses, priest of Apollo, came to the ships of the Achaeans to free his daughter, and brought with him a great ransom: moreover he bore in his hand the sceptre of Apollo, wreathed with a suppliant's wreath, and he besought the Achaeans, but most of all the two sons of Atreus who were their chiefs. "On this the rest of the Achaeans with one voice were for respecting the priest and taking the ransom that he offered; but not so Agamemnon, who spoke fiercely to him and sent him roughly away. So he went back in anger, and Apollo, who loved him dearly, heard his prayer. Then the god sent a deadly dart upon the Argives, and the people died thick on one another, for the arrows went everywhither among the wide host of the Achaeans. At last a seer in the fulness of his knowledge declared to us the oracles of Apollo, and I was myself first to say that we should appease him. Whereon the son of Atreus rose in anger, and threatened that which he has since done. The Achaeans are now taking the girl in a ship to Chryse, and sending gifts of sacrifice to the god; but the heralds have just taken from my tent the daughter of Briseus, whom the Achaeans had awarded to myself. "Help your brave son, therefore, if you are able. Go to Olympus, and if you have ever done him service in word or deed, implore the aid of Jove. Ofttimes in my father's house have I heard you glory in that you alone of the immortals saved the son of Saturn from ruin, when the others, with Juno, Neptune, and Pallas Minerva would have put him in bonds. It was you, goddess, who delivered him by calling to Olympus the hundred-handed monster whom gods call Briareus, but men Aegaeon, for he is stronger even than his father; when therefore he took his seat all-glorious beside the son of Saturn, the other gods were afraid, and did not bind him. Go, then, to him, remind him of all this, clasp his knees, and bid him give succour to the Trojans. Let the Achaeans be hemmed in at the sterns of their ships, and perish on the sea-shore, that they may reap what joy they may of their king, and that Agamemnon may rue his blindness in offering insult to the foremost of the Achaeans." Thetis wept and answered, "My son, woe is me that I should have borne or suckled you. Would indeed that you had lived your span free from all sorrow at your ships, for it is all too brief; alas, that you should be at once short of life and long of sorrow above your peers: woe, therefore, was the hour in which I bore you; nevertheless I will go to the snowy heights of Olympus, and tell this tale to Jove, if he will hear our prayer: meanwhile stay where you are with your ships, nurse your anger against the Achaeans, and hold aloof from fight. For Jove went yesterday to Oceanus, to a feast among the Ethiopians, and the other gods went with him. He will return to Olympus twelve days hence; I will then go to his mansion paved with bronze and will beseech him; nor do I doubt that I shall be able to persuade him." On this she left him, still furious at the loss of her that had been taken from him. Meanwhile Ulysses reached Chryse with the hecatomb. When they had come inside the harbour they furled the sails and laid them in the ship's hold; they slackened the forestays, lowered the mast into its place, and rowed the ship to the place where they would have her lie; there they cast out their mooring-stones and made fast the hawsers. They then got out upon the sea-shore and landed the hecatomb for Apollo; Chryseis also left the ship, and Ulysses led her to the altar to deliver her into the hands of her father. "Chryses," said he, "King Agamemnon has sent me to bring you back your child, and to offer sacrifice to Apollo on behalf of the Danaans, that we may propitiate the god, who has now brought sorrow upon the Argives." So saying he gave the girl over to her father, who received her gladly, and they ranged the holy hecatomb all orderly round the altar of the god. They washed their hands and took up the barley-meal to sprinkle over the victims, while Chryses lifted up his hands and prayed aloud on their behalf. "Hear me," he cried, "O god of the silver bow, that protectest Chryse and holy Cilla, and rulest Tenedos with thy might. Even as thou didst hear me aforetime when I prayed, and didst press hardly upon the Achaeans, so hear me yet again, and stay this fearful pestilence from the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. When they had done praying and sprinkling the barley-meal, they drew back the heads of the victims and killed and flayed them. They cut out the thigh-bones, wrapped them round in two layers of fat, set some pieces of raw meat on the top of them, and then Chryses laid them on the wood fire and poured wine over them, while the young men stood near him with five-pronged spits in their hands. When the thigh-bones were burned and they had tasted the inward meats, they cut the rest up small, put the pieces upon the spits, roasted them till they were done, and drew them off: then, when they had finished their work and the feast was ready, they ate it, and every man had his full share, so that all were satisfied. As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink, pages filled the mixing-bowl with wine and water and handed it round, after giving every man his drink-offering. Thus all day long the young men worshipped the god with song, hymning him and chaunting the joyous paean, and the god took pleasure in their voices; but when the sun went down, and it came on dark, they laid themselves down to sleep by the stern cables of the ship, and when the child of morning, rosy-fingered Dawn, appeared they again set sail for the host of the Achaeans. Apollo sent them a fair wind, so they raised their mast and hoisted their white sails aloft. As the sail bellied with the wind the ship flew through the deep blue water, and the foam hissed against her bows as she sped onward. When they reached the wide-stretching host of the Achaeans, they drew the vessel ashore, high and dry upon the sands, set her strong props beneath her, and went their ways to their own tents and ships. But Achilles abode at his ships and nursed his anger. He went not to the honourable assembly, and sallied not forth to fight, but gnawed at his own heart, pining for battle and the war-cry. Now after twelve days the immortal gods came back in a body to Olympus, and Jove led the way. Thetis was not unmindful of the charge her son had laid upon her, so she rose from under the sea and went through great heaven with early morning to Olympus, where she found the mighty son of Saturn sitting all alone upon its topmost ridges. She sat herself down before him, and with her left hand seized his knees, while with her right she caught him under the chin, and besought him, saying- "Father Jove, if I ever did you service in word or deed among the immortals, hear my prayer, and do honour to my son, whose life is to be cut short so early. King Agamemnon has dishonoured him by taking his prize and keeping her. Honour him then yourself, Olympian lord of counsel, and grant victory to the Trojans, till the Achaeans give my son his due and load him with riches in requital." Jove sat for a while silent, and without a word, but Thetis still kept firm hold of his knees, and besought him a second time. "Incline your head," said she, "and promise me surely, or else deny me- for you have nothing to fear- that I may learn how greatly you disdain me." At this Jove was much troubled and answered, "I shall have trouble if you set me quarrelling with Juno, for she will provoke me with her taunting speeches; even now she is always railing at me before the other gods and accusing me of giving aid to the Trojans. Go back now, lest she should find out. I will consider the matter, and will bring it about as wish. See, I incline my head that you believe me. This is the most solemn that I can give to any god. I never recall my word, or deceive, or fail to do what I say, when I have nodded my head." As he spoke the son of Saturn bowed his dark brows, and the ambrosial locks swayed on his immortal head, till vast Olympus reeled. When the pair had thus laid their plans, they parted- Jove to his house, while the goddess quitted the splendour of Olympus, and plunged into the depths of the sea. The gods rose from their seats, before the coming of their sire. Not one of them dared to remain sitting, but all stood up as he came among them. There, then, he took his seat. But Juno, when she saw him, knew that he and the old merman's daughter, silver-footed Thetis, had been hatching mischief, so she at once began to upbraid him. "Trickster," she cried, "which of the gods have you been taking into your counsels now? You are always settling matters in secret behind my back, and have never yet told me, if you could help it, one word of your intentions." "Juno," replied the sire of gods and men, "you must not expect to be informed of all my counsels. You are my wife, but you would find it hard to understand them. When it is proper for you to hear, there is no one, god or man, who will be told sooner, but when I mean to keep a matter to myself, you must not pry nor ask questions." "Dread son of Saturn," answered Juno, "what are you talking about? I? Pry and ask questions? Never. I let you have your own way in everything. Still, I have a strong misgiving that the old merman's daughter Thetis has been talking you over, for she was with you and had hold of your knees this self-same morning. I believe, therefore, that you have been promising her to give glory to Achilles, and to kill much people at the ships of the Achaeans." "Wife," said Jove, "I can do nothing but you suspect me and find it out. You will take nothing by it, for I shall only dislike you the more, and it will go harder with you. Granted that it is as you say; I mean to have it so; sit down and hold your tongue as I bid you for if I once begin to lay my hands about you, though all heaven were on your side it would profit you nothing." On this Juno was frightened, so she curbed her stubborn will and sat down in silence. But the heavenly beings were disquieted throughout the house of Jove, till the cunning workman Vulcan began to try and pacify his mother Juno. "It will be intolerable," said he, "if you two fall to wrangling and setting heaven in an uproar about a pack of mortals. If such ill counsels are to prevail, we shall have no pleasure at our banquet. Let me then advise my mother- and she must herself know that it will be better- to make friends with my dear father Jove, lest he again scold her and disturb our feast. If the Olympian Thunderer wants to hurl us all from our seats, he can do so, for he is far the strongest, so give him fair words, and he will then soon be in a good humour with us." As he spoke, he took a double cup of nectar, and placed it in his mother's hand. "Cheer up, my dear mother," said he, "and make the best of it. I love you dearly, and should be very sorry to see you get a thrashing; however grieved I might be, I could not help for there is no standing against Jove. Once before when I was trying to help you, he caught me by the foot and flung me from the heavenly threshold. All day long from morn till eve, was I falling, till at sunset I came to ground in the island of Lemnos, and there I lay, with very little life left in me, till the Sintians came and tended me." Juno smiled at this, and as she smiled she took the cup from her son's hands. Then Vulcan drew sweet nectar from the mixing-bowl, and served it round among the gods, going from left to right; and the blessed gods laughed out a loud applause as they saw him ing bustling about the heavenly mansion. Thus through the livelong day to the going down of the sun they feasted, and every one had his full share, so that all were satisfied. Apollo struck his lyre, and the Muses lifted up their sweet voices, calling and answering one another. But when the sun's glorious light had faded, they went home to bed, each in his own abode, which lame Vulcan with his consummate skill had fashioned for them. So Jove, the Olympian Lord of Thunder, hied him to the bed in which he always slept; and when he had got on to it he went to sleep, with Juno of the golden throne by his side. Now the other gods and the armed warriors on the plain slept soundly, but Jove was wakeful, for he was thinking how to do honour to Achilles, and destroyed much people at the ships of the Achaeans. In the end he deemed it would be best to send a lying dream to King Agamemnon; so he called one to him and said to it, "Lying Dream, go to the ships of the Achaeans, into the tent of Agamemnon, and say to him word to word as I now bid you. Tell him to get the Achaeans instantly under arms, for he shall take Troy. There are no longer divided counsels among the gods; Juno has brought them to her own mind, and woe betides the Trojans." The dream went when it had heard its message, and soon reached the ships of the Achaeans. It sought Agamemnon son of Atreus and found him in his tent, wrapped in a profound slumber. It hovered over his head in the likeness of Nestor, son of Neleus, whom Agamemnon honoured above all his councillors, and said:- "You are sleeping, son of Atreus; one who has the welfare of his host and so much other care upon his shoulders should dock his sleep. Hear me at once, for I come as a messenger from Jove, who, though he be not near, yet takes thought for you and pities you. He bids you get the Achaeans instantly under arms, for you shall take Troy. There are no longer divided counsels among the gods; Juno has brought them over to her own mind, and woe betides the Trojans at the hands of Jove. Remember this, and when you wake see that it does not escape you." The dream then left him, and he thought of things that were, surely not to be accomplished. He thought that on that same day he was to take the city of Priam, but he little knew what was in the mind of Jove, who had many another hard-fought fight in store alike for Danaans and Trojans. Then presently he woke, with the divine message still ringing in his ears; so he sat upright, and put on his soft shirt so fair and new, and over this his heavy cloak. He bound his sandals on to his comely feet, and slung his silver-studded sword about his shoulders; then he took the imperishable staff of his father, and sallied forth to the ships of the Achaeans. The goddess Dawn now wended her way to vast Olympus that she might herald day to Jove and to the other immortals, and Agamemnon sent the criers round to call the people in assembly; so they called them and the people gathered thereon. But first he summoned a meeting of the elders at the ship of Nestor king of Pylos, and when they were assembled he laid a cunning counsel before them. "My friends," said he, "I have had a dream from heaven in the dead of night, and its face and figure resembled none but Nestor's. It hovered over my head and said, 'You are sleeping, son of Atreus; one who has the welfare of his host and so much other care upon his shoulders should dock his sleep. Hear me at once, for I am a messenger from Jove, who, though he be not near, yet takes thought for you and pities you. He bids you get the Achaeans instantly under arms, for you shall take Troy. There are no longer divided counsels among the gods; Juno has brought them over to her own mind, and woe betides the Trojans at the hands of Jove. Remember this.' The dream then vanished and I awoke. Let us now, therefore, arm the sons of the Achaeans. But it will be well that I should first sound them, and to this end I will tell them to fly with their ships; but do you others go about among the host and prevent their doing so." He then sat down, and Nestor the prince of Pylos with all sincerity and goodwill addressed them thus: "My friends," said he, "princes and councillors of the Argives, if any other man of the Achaeans had told us of this dream we should have declared it false, and would have had nothing to do with it. But he who has seen it is the foremost man among us; we must therefore set about getting the people under arms." With this he led the way from the assembly, and the other sceptred kings rose with him in obedience to the word of Agamemnon; but the people pressed forward to hear. They swarmed like bees that sally from some hollow cave and flit in countless throng among the spring flowers, bunched in knots and clusters; even so did the mighty multitude pour from ships and tents to the assembly, and range themselves upon the wide-watered shore, while among them ran Wildfire Rumour, messenger of Jove, urging them ever to the fore. Thus they gathered in a pell-mell of mad confusion, and the earth groaned under the tramp of men as the people sought their places. Nine heralds went crying about among them to stay their tumult and bid them listen to the kings, till at last they were got into their several places and ceased their clamour. Then King Agamemnon rose, holding his sceptre. This was the work of Vulcan, who gave it to Jove the son of Saturn. Jove gave it to Mercury, slayer of Argus, guide and guardian. King Mercury gave it to Pelops, the mighty charioteer, and Pelops to Atreus, shepherd of his people. Atreus, when he died, left it to Thyestes, rich in flocks, and Thyestes in his turn left it to be borne by Agamemnon, that he might be lord of all Argos and of the isles. Leaning, then, on his sceptre, he addressed the Argives. "My friends," he said, "heroes, servants of Mars, the hand of heaven has been laid heavily upon me. Cruel Jove gave me his solemn promise that I should sack the city of Priam before returning, but he has played me false, and is now bidding me go ingloriously back to Argos with the loss of much people. Such is the will of Jove, who has laid many a proud city in the dust, as he will yet lay others, for his power is above all. It will be a sorry tale hereafter that an Achaean host, at once so great and valiant, battled in vain against men fewer in number than themselves; but as yet the end is not in sight. Think that the Achaeans and Trojans have sworn to a solemn covenant, and that they have each been numbered- the Trojans by the roll of their householders, and we by companies of ten; think further that each of our companies desired to have a Trojan householder to pour out their wine; we are so greatly more in number that full many a company would have to go without its cup-bearer. But they have in the town allies from other places, and it is these that hinder me from being able to sack the rich city of Ilius. Nine of Jove years are gone; the timbers of our ships have rotted; their tackling is sound no longer. Our wives and little ones at home look anxiously for our coming, but the work that we came hither to do has not been done. Now, therefore, let us all do as I say: let us sail back to our own land, for we shall not take Troy." With these words he moved the hearts of the multitude, so many of them as knew not the cunning counsel of Agamemnon. They surged to and fro like the waves of the Icarian Sea, when the east and south winds break from heaven's clouds to lash them; or as when the west wind sweeps over a field of corn and the ears bow beneath the blast, even so were they swayed as they flew with loud cries towards the ships, and the dust from under their feet rose heavenward. They cheered each other on to draw the ships into the sea; they cleared the channels in front of them; they began taking away the stays from underneath them, and the welkin rang with their glad cries, so eager were they to return. Then surely the Argives would have returned after a fashion that was not fated. But Juno said to Minerva, "Alas, daughter of aegis-bearing Jove, unweariable, shall the Argives fly home to their own land over the broad sea, and leave Priam and the Trojans the glory of still keeping Helen, for whose sake so many of the Achaeans have died at Troy, far from their homes? Go about at once among the host, and speak fairly to them, man by man, that they draw not their ships into the sea." Minerva was not slack to do her bidding. Down she darted from the topmost summits of Olympus, and in a moment she was at the ships of the Achaeans. There she found Ulysses, peer of Jove in counsel, standing alone. He had not as yet laid a hand upon his ship, for he was grieved and sorry; so she went close up to him and said, "Ulysses, noble son of Laertes, are you going to fling yourselves into your ships and be off home to your own land in this way? Will you leave Priam and the Trojans the glory of still keeping Helen, for whose sake so many of the Achaeans have died at Troy, far from their homes? Go about at once among the host, and speak fairly to them, man by man, that they draw not their ships into the sea." Ulysses knew the voice as that of the goddess: he flung his cloak from him and set off to run. His servant Eurybates, a man of Ithaca, who waited on him, took charge of the cloak, whereon Ulysses went straight up to Agamemnon and received from him his ancestral, imperishable staff. With this he went about among the ships of the Achaeans. Whenever he met a king or chieftain, he stood by him and spoke him fairly. "Sir," said he, "this flight is cowardly and unworthy. Stand to your post, and bid your people also keep their places. You do not yet know the full mind of Agamemnon; he was sounding us, and ere long will visit the Achaeans with his displeasure. We were not all of us at the council to hear what he then said; see to it lest he be angry and do us a mischief; for the pride of kings is great, and the hand of Jove is with them." But when he came across any common man who was making a noise, he struck him with his staff and rebuked him, saying, "Sirrah, hold your peace, and listen to better men than yourself. You are a coward and no soldier; you are nobody either in fight or council; we cannot all be kings; it is not well that there should be many masters; one man must be supreme- one king to whom the son of scheming Saturn has given the sceptre of sovereignty over you all." Thus masterfully did he go about among the host, and the people hurried back to the council from their tents and ships with a sound as the thunder of surf when it comes crashing down upon the shore, and all the sea is in an uproar. The rest now took their seats and kept to their own several places, but Thersites still went on wagging his unbridled tongue- a man of many words, and those unseemly; a monger of sedition, a railer against all who were in authority, who cared not what he said, so that he might set the Achaeans in a laugh. He was the ugliest man of all those that came before Troy- bandy-legged, lame of one foot, with his two shoulders rounded and hunched over his chest. His head ran up to a point, but there was little hair on the top of it. Achilles and Ulysses hated him worst of all, for it was with them that he was most wont to wrangle; now, however, with a shrill squeaky voice he began heaping his abuse on Agamemnon. The Achaeans were angry and disgusted, yet none the less he kept on brawling and bawling at the son of Atreus. "Agamemnon," he cried, "what ails you now, and what more do you want? Your tents are filled with bronze and with fair women, for whenever we take a town we give you the pick of them. Would you have yet more gold, which some Trojan is to give you as a ransom for his son, when I or another Achaean has taken him prisoner? or is it some young girl to hide and lie with? It is not well that you, the ruler of the Achaeans, should bring them into such misery. Weakling cowards, women rather than men, let us sail home, and leave this fellow here at Troy to stew in his own meeds of honour, and discover whether we were of any service to him or no. Achilles is a much better man than he is, and see how he has treated him- robbing him of his prize and keeping it himself. Achilles takes it meekly and shows no fight; if he did, son of Atreus, you would never again insult him." Thus railed Thersites, but Ulysses at once went up to him and rebuked him sternly. "Check your glib tongue, Thersites," said be, "and babble not a word further. Chide not with princes when you have none to back you. There is no viler creature come before Troy with the sons of Atreus. Drop this chatter about kings, and neither revile them nor keep harping about going home. We do not yet know how things are going to be, nor whether the Achaeans are to return with good success or evil. How dare you gibe at Agamemnon because the Danaans have awarded him so many prizes? I tell you, therefore- and it shall surely be- that if I again catch you talking such nonsense, I will either forfeit my own head and be no more called father of Telemachus, or I will take you, strip you stark naked, and whip you out of the assembly till you go blubbering back to the ships." On this he beat him with his staff about the back and shoulders till he dropped and fell a-weeping. The golden sceptre raised a bloody weal on his back, so he sat down frightened and in pain, looking foolish as he wiped the tears from his eyes. The people were sorry for him, yet they laughed heartily, and one would turn to his neighbour saying, "Ulysses has done many a good thing ere now in fight and council, but he never did the Argives a better turn than when he stopped this fellow's mouth from prating further. He will give the kings no more of his insolence." Thus said the people. Then Ulysses rose, sceptre in hand, and Minerva in the likeness of a herald bade the people be still, that those who were far off might hear him and consider his council. He therefore with all sincerity and goodwill addressed them thus:- "King Agamemnon, the Achaeans are for making you a by-word among all mankind. They forget the promise they made you when they set out from Argos, that you should not return till you had sacked the town of Troy, and, like children or widowed women, they murmur and would set off homeward. True it is that they have had toil enough to be disheartened. A man chafes at having to stay away from his wife even for a single month, when he is on shipboard, at the mercy of wind and sea, but it is now nine long years that we have been kept here; I cannot, therefore, blame the Achaeans if they turn restive; still we shall be shamed if we go home empty after so long a stay- therefore, my friends, be patient yet a little longer that we may learn whether the prophesyings of Calchas were false or true. "All who have not since perished must remember as though it were yesterday or the day before, how the ships of the Achaeans were detained in Aulis when we were on our way hither to make war on Priam and the Trojans. We were ranged round about a fountain offering hecatombs to the gods upon their holy altars, and there was a fine plane-tree from beneath which there welled a stream of pure water. Then we saw a prodigy; for Jove sent a fearful serpent out of the ground, with blood-red stains upon its back, and it darted from under the altar on to the plane-tree. Now there was a brood of young sparrows, quite small, upon the topmost bough, peeping out from under the leaves, eight in all, and their mother that hatched them made nine. The serpent ate the poor cheeping things, while the old bird flew about lamenting her little ones; but the serpent threw his coils about her and caught her by the wing as she was screaming. Then, when he had eaten both the sparrow and her young, the god who had sent him made him become a sign; for the son of scheming Saturn turned him into stone, and we stood there wondering at that which had come to pass. Seeing, then, that such a fearful portent had broken in upon our hecatombs, Calchas forthwith declared to us the oracles of heaven. 'Why, Achaeans,' said he, 'are you thus speechless? Jove has sent us this sign, long in coming, and long ere it be fulfilled, though its fame shall last for ever. As the serpent ate the eight fledglings and the sparrow that hatched them, which makes nine, so shall we fight nine years at Troy, but in the tenth shall take the town.' This was what he said, and now it is all coming true. Stay here, therefore, all of you, till we take the city of Priam." On this the Argives raised a shout, till the ships rang again with the uproar. Nestor, knight of Gerene, then addressed them. "Shame on you," he cried, "to stay talking here like children, when you should fight like men. Where are our covenants now, and where the oaths that we have taken? Shall our counsels be flung into the fire, with our drink-offerings and the right hands of fellowship wherein we have put our trust? We waste our time in words, and for all our talking here shall be no further forward. Stand, therefore, son of Atreus, by your own steadfast purpose; lead the Argives on to battle, and leave this handful of men to rot, who scheme, and scheme in vain, to get back to Argos ere they have learned whether Jove be true or a liar. For the mighty son of Saturn surely promised that we should succeed, when we Argives set sail to bring death and destruction upon the Trojans. He showed us favourable signs by flashing his lightning on our right hands; therefore let none make haste to go till he has first lain with the wife of some Trojan, and avenged the toil and sorrow that he has suffered for the sake of Helen. Nevertheless, if any man is in such haste to be at home again, let him lay his hand to his ship that he may meet his doom in the sight of all. But, O king, consider and give ear to my counsel, for the word that I say may not be neglected lightly. Divide your men, Agamemnon, into their several tribes and clans, that clans and tribes may stand by and help one another. If you do this, and if the Achaeans obey you, you will find out who, both chiefs and peoples, are brave, and who are cowards; for they will vie against the other. Thus you shall also learn whether it is through the counsel of heaven or the cowardice of man that you shall fail to take the town." And Agamemnon answered, "Nestor, you have again outdone the sons of the Achaeans in counsel. Would, by Father Jove, Minerva, and Apollo, that I had among them ten more such councillors, for the city of King Priam would then soon fall beneath our hands, and we should sack it. But the son of Saturn afflicts me with bootless wranglings and strife. Achilles and I are quarrelling about this girl, in which matter I was the first to offend; if we can be of one mind again, the Trojans will not stave off destruction for a day. Now, therefore, get your morning meal, that our hosts join in fight. Whet well your spears; see well to the ordering of your shields; give good feeds to your horses, and look your chariots carefully over, that we may do battle the livelong day; for we shall have no rest, not for a moment, till night falls to part us. The bands that bear your shields shall be wet with the sweat upon your shoulders, your hands shall weary upon your spears, your horses shall steam in front of your chariots, and if I see any man shirking the fight, or trying to keep out of it at the ships, there shall be no help for him, but he shall be a prey to dogs and vultures." Thus he spoke, and the Achaeans roared applause. As when the waves run high before the blast of the south wind and break on some lofty headland, dashing against it and buffeting it without ceasing, as the storms from every quarter drive them, even so did the Achaeans rise and hurry in all directions to their ships. There they lighted their fires at their tents and got dinner, offering sacrifice every man to one or other of the gods, and praying each one of them that he might live to come out of the fight. Agamemnon, king of men, sacrificed a fat five-year-old bull to the mighty son of Saturn, and invited the princes and elders of his host. First he asked Nestor and King Idomeneus, then the two Ajaxes and the son of Tydeus, and sixthly Ulysses, peer of gods in counsel; but Menelaus came of his own accord, for he knew how busy his brother then was. They stood round the bull with the barley-meal in their hands, and Agamemnon prayed, saying, "Jove, most glorious, supreme, that dwellest in heaven, and ridest upon the storm-cloud, grant that the sun may not go down, nor the night fall, till the palace of Priam is laid low, and its gates are consumed with fire. Grant that my sword may pierce the shirt of Hector about his heart, and that full many of his comrades may bite the dust as they fall dying round him." Thus he prayed, but the son of Saturn would not fulfil his prayer. He accepted the sacrifice, yet none the less increased their toil continually. When they had done praying and sprinkling the barley-meal upon the victim, they drew back its head, killed it, and then flayed it. They cut out the thigh-bones, wrapped them round in two layers of fat, and set pieces of raw meat on the top of them. These they burned upon the split logs of firewood, but they spitted the inward meats, and held them in the flames to cook. When the thigh-bones were burned, and they had tasted the inward meats, they cut the rest up small, put the pieces upon spits, roasted them till they were done, and drew them off; then, when they had finished their work and the feast was ready, they ate it, and every man had his full share, so that all were satisfied. As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink, Nestor, knight of Gerene, began to speak. "King Agamemnon," said he, "let us not stay talking here, nor be slack in the work that heaven has put into our hands. Let the heralds summon the people to gather at their several ships; we will then go about among the host, that we may begin fighting at once." Thus did he speak, and Agamemnon heeded his words. He at once sent the criers round to call the people in assembly. So they called them, and the people gathered thereon. The chiefs about the son of Atreus chose their men and marshalled them, while Minerva went among them holding her priceless aegis that knows neither age nor death. From it there waved a hundred tassels of pure gold, all deftly woven, and each one of them worth a hundred oxen. With this she darted furiously everywhere among the hosts of the Achaeans, urging them forward, and putting courage into the heart of each, so that he might fight and do battle without ceasing. Thus war became sweeter in their eyes even than returning home in their ships. As when some great forest fire is raging upon a mountain top and its light is seen afar, even so as they marched the gleam of their armour flashed up into the firmament of heaven. They were like great flocks of geese, or cranes, or swans on the plain about the waters of Cayster, that wing their way hither and thither, glorying in the pride of flight, and crying as they settle till the fen is alive with their screaming. Even thus did their tribes pour from ships and tents on to the plain of the Scamander, and the ground rang as brass under the feet of men and horses. They stood as thick upon the flower-bespangled field as leaves that bloom in summer. As countless swarms of flies buzz around a herdsman's homestead in the time of spring when the pails are drenched with milk, even so did the Achaeans swarm on to the plain to charge the Trojans and destroy them. The chiefs disposed their men this way and that before the fight began, drafting them out as easily as goatherds draft their flocks when they have got mixed while feeding; and among them went King Agamemnon, with a head and face like Jove the lord of thunder, a waist like Mars, and a chest like that of Neptune. As some great bull that lords it over the herds upon the plain, even so did Jove make the son of Atreus stand peerless among the multitude of heroes. And now, O Muses, dwellers in the mansions of Olympus, tell me- for you are goddesses and are in all places so that you see all things, while we know nothing but by report- who were the chiefs and princes of the Danaans? As for the common soldiers, they were so that I could not name every single one of them though I had ten tongues, and though my voice failed not and my heart were of bronze within me, unless you, O Olympian Muses, daughters of aegis-bearing Jove, were to recount them to me. Nevertheless, I will tell the captains of the ships and all the fleet together. Peneleos, Leitus, Arcesilaus, Prothoenor, and Clonius were captains of the Boeotians. These were they that dwelt in Hyria and rocky Aulis, and who held Schoenus, Scolus, and the highlands of Eteonus, with Thespeia, Graia, and the fair city of Mycalessus. They also held Harma, Eilesium, and Erythrae; and they had Eleon, Hyle, and Peteon; Ocalea and the strong fortress of Medeon; Copae, Eutresis, and Thisbe the haunt of doves; Coronea, and the pastures of Haliartus; Plataea and Glisas; the fortress of Thebes the less; holy Onchestus with its famous grove of Neptune; Arne rich in vineyards; Midea, sacred Nisa, and Anthedon upon the sea. From these there came fifty ships, and in each there were a hundred and twenty young men of the Boeotians. Ascalaphus and Ialmenus, sons of Mars, led the people that dwelt in Aspledon and Orchomenus the realm of Minyas. Astyoche a noble maiden bore them in the house of Actor son of Azeus; for she had gone with Mars secretly into an upper chamber, and he had lain with her. With these there came thirty ships. The Phoceans were led by Schedius and Epistrophus, sons of mighty Iphitus the son of Naubolus. These were they that held Cyparissus, rocky Pytho, holy Crisa, Daulis, and Panopeus; they also that dwelt in Anemorea and Hyampolis, and about the waters of the river Cephissus, and Lilaea by the springs of the Cephissus; with their chieftains came forty ships, and they marshalled the forces of the Phoceans, which were stationed next to the Boeotians, on their left. Ajax, the fleet son of Oileus, commanded the Locrians. He was not so great, nor nearly so great, as Ajax the son of Telamon. He was a little man, and his breastplate was made of linen, but in use of the spear he excelled all the Hellenes and the Achaeans. These dwelt in Cynus, Opous, Calliarus, Bessa, Scarphe, fair Augeae, Tarphe, and Thronium about the river Boagrius. With him there came forty ships of the Locrians who dwell beyond Euboea. The fierce Abantes held Euboea with its cities, Chalcis, Eretria, Histiaea rich in vines, Cerinthus upon the sea, and the rock-perched town of Dium; with them were also the men of Carystus and Styra; Elephenor of the race of Mars was in command of these; he was son of Chalcodon, and chief over all the Abantes. With him they came, fleet of foot and wearing their hair long behind, brave warriors, who would ever strive to tear open the corslets of their foes with their long ashen spears. Of these there came fifty ships. And they that held the strong city of Athens, the people of great Erechtheus, who was born of the soil itself, but Jove's daughter, Minerva, fostered him, and established him at Athens in her own rich sanctuary. There, year by year, the Athenian youths worship him with sacrifices of bulls and rams. These were commanded by Menestheus, son of Peteos. No man living could equal him in the marshalling of chariots and foot soldiers. Nestor could alone rival him, for he was older. With him there came fifty ships. Ajax brought twelve ships from Salamis, and stationed them alongside those of the Athenians. The men of Argos, again, and those who held the walls of Tiryns, with Hermione, and Asine upon the gulf; Troezene, Eionae, and the vineyard lands of Epidaurus; the Achaean youths, moreover, who came from Aegina and Mases; these were led by Diomed of the loud battle-cry, and Sthenelus son of famed Capaneus. With them in command was Euryalus, son of king Mecisteus, son of Talaus; but Diomed was chief over them all. With these there came eighty ships. Those who held the strong city of Mycenae, rich Corinth and Cleonae; Orneae, Araethyrea, and Licyon, where Adrastus reigned of old; Hyperesia, high Gonoessa, and Pellene; Aegium and all the coast-land round about Helice; these sent a hundred ships under the command of King Agamemnon, son of Atreus. His force was far both finest and most numerous, and in their midst was the king himself, all glorious in his armour of gleaming bronze- foremost among the heroes, for he was the greatest king, and had most men under him. And those that dwelt in Lacedaemon, lying low among the hills, Pharis, Sparta, with Messe the haunt of doves; Bryseae, Augeae, Amyclae, and Helos upon the sea; Laas, moreover, and Oetylus; these were led by Menelaus of the loud battle-cry, brother to Agamemnon, and of them there were sixty ships, drawn up apart from the others. Among them went Menelaus himself, strong in zeal, urging his men to fight; for he longed to avenge the toil and sorrow that he had suffered for the sake of Helen. The men of Pylos and Arene, and Thryum where is the ford of the river Alpheus; strong Aipy, Cyparisseis, and Amphigenea; Pteleum, Helos, and Dorium, where the Muses met Thamyris, and stilled his minstrelsy for ever. He was returning from Oechalia, where Eurytus lived and reigned, and boasted that he would surpass even the Muses, daughters of aegis-bearing Jove, if they should sing against him; whereon they were angry, and maimed him. They robbed him of his divine power of song, and thenceforth he could strike the lyre no more. These were commanded by Nestor, knight of Gerene, and with him there came ninety ships. And those that held Arcadia, under the high mountain of Cyllene, near the tomb of Aepytus, where the people fight hand to hand; the men of Pheneus also, and Orchomenus rich in flocks; of Rhipae, Stratie, and bleak Enispe; of Tegea and fair Mantinea; of Stymphelus and Parrhasia; of these King Agapenor son of Ancaeus was commander, and they had sixty ships. Many Arcadians, good soldiers, came in each one of them, but Agamemnon found them the ships in which to cross the sea, for they were not a people that occupied their business upon the waters. The men, moreover, of Buprasium and of Elis, so much of it as is enclosed between Hyrmine, Myrsinus upon the sea-shore, the rock Olene and Alesium. These had four leaders, and each of them had ten ships, with many Epeans on board. Their captains were Amphimachus and Thalpius- the one, son of Cteatus, and the other, of Eurytus- both of the race of Actor. The two others were Diores, son of Amarynces, and Polyxenus, son of King Agasthenes, son of Augeas. And those of Dulichium with the sacred Echinean islands, who dwelt beyond the sea off Elis; these were led by Meges, peer of Mars, and the son of valiant Phyleus, dear to Jove, who quarrelled with his father, and went to settle in Dulichium. With him there came forty ships. Ulysses led the brave Cephallenians, who held Ithaca, Neritum with its forests, Crocylea, rugged Aegilips, Samos and Zacynthus, with the mainland also that was over against the islands. These were led by Ulysses, peer of Jove in counsel, and with him there came twelve ships. Thoas, son of Andraemon, commanded the Aetolians, who dwelt in Pleuron, Olenus, Pylene, Chalcis by the sea, and rocky Calydon, for the great king Oeneus had now no sons living, and was himself dead, as was also golden-haired Meleager, who had been set over the Aetolians to be their king. And with Thoas there came forty ships. The famous spearsman Idomeneus led the Cretans, who held Cnossus, and the well-walled city of Gortys; Lyctus also, Miletus and Lycastus that lies upon the chalk; the populous towns of Phaestus and Rhytium, with the other peoples that dwelt in the hundred cities of Crete. All these were led by Idomeneus, and by Meriones, peer of murderous Mars. And with these there came eighty ships. Tlepolemus, son of Hercules, a man both brave and large of stature, brought nine ships of lordly warriors from Rhodes. These dwelt in Rhodes which is divided among the three cities of Lindus, Ielysus, and Cameirus, that lies upon the chalk. These were commanded by Tlepolemus, son of Hercules by Astyochea, whom he had carried off from Ephyra, on the river Selleis, after sacking many cities of valiant warriors. When Tlepolemus grew up, he killed his father's uncle Licymnius, who had been a famous warrior in his time, but was then grown old. On this he built himself a fleet, gathered a great following, and fled beyond the sea, for he was menaced by the other sons and grandsons of Hercules. After a voyage. during which he suffered great hardship, he came to Rhodes, where the people divided into three communities, according to their tribes, and were dearly loved by Jove, the lord, of gods and men; wherefore the son of Saturn showered down great riches upon them. And Nireus brought three ships from Syme- Nireus, who was the handsomest man that came up under Ilius of all the Danaans after the son of Peleus- but he was a man of no substance, and had but a small following. And those that held Nisyrus, Crapathus, and Casus, with Cos, the city of Eurypylus, and the Calydnian islands, these were commanded by Pheidippus and Antiphus, two sons of King Thessalus the son of Hercules. And with them there came thirty ships. Those again who held Pelasgic Argos, Alos, Alope, and Trachis; and those of Phthia and Hellas the land of fair women, who were called Myrmidons, Hellenes, and Achaeans; these had fifty ships, over which Achilles was in command. But they now took no part in the war, inasmuch as there was no one to marshal them; for Achilles stayed by his ships, furious about the loss of the girl Briseis, whom he had taken from Lyrnessus at his own great peril, when he had sacked Lyrnessus and Thebe, and had overthrown Mynes and Epistrophus, sons of king Evenor, son of Selepus. For her sake Achilles was s

is it illegal to take off then live off the land as a hunter gatherer in new zealand wilderness? yea yea ... laugh it up =) But I've always had this mad dream to one day just dump everything and take off to alaska wilderness and live as a hermit hunting and gathering except there's a problem. I hate big predators like mountain lions, wolves, bears and snakes. Australia there are snakes salt crocodiles and great whites so that's out. I hear in new zealand there are no snakes and bears or lions the only big predators I hear are probably feral pigs - (i can live with pork chops) =) So tell me, can I buy an air ticket to new zealand next week, take a bus to some national park and disappear into the woods for a few years?

i need help wit a book called lord of the flies? Other than the "beastie" what other problem is troubling the "littluns"? Choose one answer. a. nothing fun to do b. diarrhea c. no shelter d. lack of food 2 Marks: 2 What do Roger and Maurice begin to do to the "littluns"? Choose one answer. a. leave them alone b. none of these c. harass them d. help them get food 3 Marks: 2 What strange thing does Jack do as part of his hunt? Choose one answer. a. lie down flat in the jungle for hours b. build a trap c. paint his face d. cover himself with leaves 4 Marks: 2 What tool is Piggy thinking about making? Choose one answer. a. a hammer b. a saw c. a sundial d. a chisel 5 Marks: 2 What do Ralph and Piggy see on the horizon? Choose one answer. a. a boat b. storm clouds c. a shark d. a plane 6 Marks: 2 Why does Ralph become angry? Choose one answer. a. Piggy won't listen to him b. the "littluns" still aren't working c. Simon has disappeared d. the signal fire has gone out 7 Marks: 2 Who is to blame for what has happened? Choose one answer. a. the "littluns" b. Simon c. Ralph d. Jack and the hunters 8 Marks: 2 Why? Choose one answer. a. he is in charge b. he was too busy enjoying nature c. they've done no work since they got to the island d. they neglected their duties to go hunt 9 Marks: 2 Why don't the hunters care about what Ralph says? Choose one answer. a. they don't like Ralph b. they think he's wrong c. they've just killed their first pig d. they need to get back to hunting 10 Marks: 2 What does Jack do to Piggy? Choose one answer. a. slaps him b. slaps him AND breaks his glasses c. makes fun of his weight d. breaks his glasses

help with a book loed of the flies 10 pts best answer? Other than the "beastie" what other problem is troubling the "littluns"? Choose one answer. a. nothing fun to do b. diarrhea c. no shelter d. lack of food 2 Marks: 2 What do Roger and Maurice begin to do to the "littluns"? Choose one answer. a. leave them alone b. none of these c. harass them d. help them get food 3 Marks: 2 What strange thing does Jack do as part of his hunt? Choose one answer. a. lie down flat in the jungle for hours b. build a trap c. paint his face d. cover himself with leaves 4 Marks: 2 What tool is Piggy thinking about making? Choose one answer. a. a hammer b. a saw c. a sundial d. a chisel 5 Marks: 2 What do Ralph and Piggy see on the horizon? Choose one answer. a. a boat b. storm clouds c. a shark d. a plane 6 Marks: 2 Why does Ralph become angry? Choose one answer. a. Piggy won't listen to him b. the "littluns" still aren't working c. Simon has disappeared d. the signal fire has gone out 7 Marks: 2 Who is to blame for what has happened? Choose one answer. a. the "littluns" b. Simon c. Ralph d. Jack and the hunters 8 Marks: 2 Why? Choose one answer. a. he is in charge b. he was too busy enjoying nature c. they've done no work since they got to the island d. they neglected their duties to go hunt 9 Marks: 2 Why don't the hunters care about what Ralph says? Choose one answer. a. they don't like Ralph b. they think he's wrong c. they've just killed their first pig d. they need to get back to hunting 10 Marks: 2 What does Jack do to Piggy? Choose one answer. a. slaps him b. slaps him AND breaks his glasses c. makes fun of his weight d. breaks his glasses

I need help answering this questions from Lord of the Flies...? Questions from Lord of the Flies...please email me or IM me at red_flame_31@yahoo.com? Ch 6 Ralph insists they check the Mt. top for The Beast. What is it the other boys want to do? Everyone wants to be rescued, why don’t the boys work harder at it? Ch7 What is Ralph’s appearance as the Ch. Begins? What does this indicate? How does Ralph get caught up in the irrational lust to injure and kill? Ralph asks Jack why Jack hates him. Why does he? How does Chapter 7 end? Ch8 How does Jack view the Hunters? How does Ralph view them? Why does Jack leave the group? Why do the bigger boys go off with Jack? What is Jacks plan to get more of the bigger boys from Ralph’s Camp? What effect does the pig hunt/kill have on Jack & the Hunters?What threat does the lord of the flies make to Simon? Ch 9 Explain Simon’s action. In this Chapter, what are signs of Jack’s power? Find an example of Personification on Page 150. I still need chapters 10-12 questions too

lord of the flie test reveiw? 2 Marks: 2 The first symbol of the island government was Choose one answer. a. the pig's head b. the choir boys' caps c. the conch d. fire 13 Marks: 2 Ralph wept after his rescue for Choose one answer. a. Piggy's death b. the darkness of man's heart c. all of these d. the end of innocence 14 Marks: 2 The first "littlun" to tell the assembly about the "beastie" was Choose one answer. a. Henry b. the boy with the mulberry birthmark c. Percival d. Johnny 15 Marks: 2 Jack became possessed by the desire to Choose one answer. a. find shelter b. hunt c. be rescued d. all of these 16 Marks: 2 The "Lord of the Flies" was symbolized by Choose one answer. a. the snake b. Piggy c. the pig's head d. Ralph 17 Marks: 2 In the eyes of the pig's head Simon saw Choose one answer. a. victory b. desire for revenge c. the reflection of a hunter d. cynicism of adult life 18 Marks: 2 The boys were able to start fires by using Choose one answer. a. two dry sticks b. Piggy's glasses c. a flint d. Jack's matches 19 Marks: 2 A fire was to be burned at all times for Choose one answer. a. cooking b. a signal for rescue c. protection from the "beast" d. warmth 20 Marks: 2 The twins thought they saw the "beast," but it was really Choose one answer. a. Roger b. a dead man and a parachute c. a pig's head d. a wild boar 21 Marks: 2 To escape from the savages, Ralph decides to Choose one answer. a. kill Eric b. run into the cave c. hide under the creepers d. climb a tree 22 Marks: 2 The strongest voice for civilization came from Choose one answer. a. Jack b. Percival c. Simon d. Piggy 23 Marks: 2 The hunters left the pig's head Choose one answer. a. as a warning to the others b. as a gift for the "beast" c. as a sign of victory d. as a symbol of their unity 24 Marks: 2 When the boys first landed on the island, their main diet was Choose one answer. a. fish b. seaweed c. pork d. fruit 25 Marks: 2 Simon tried to tell the assembly the "beast" was Choose one answer. a. hiding in the thicket b. only the littluns' dreams c. a snake d. man's essential illness 26 Marks: 2 The officer saw Jack as a Choose one answer. a. little red-headed boy b. painted savage c. degenerate rascal d. natural leader 27 Marks: 2 The nationality of the boys was Choose one answer. a. British b. French c. American d. German 28 Marks: 2 The savages raided Ralph's tent for Choose one answer. a. fresh water b. captives c. food d. Piggy's glasses 29 Marks: 2 Henry was protected from the stones Roger was throwing by Choose one answer. a. his innate kindness b. Ralph's order c. the conditioning of civilization d. a tree 30 Marks: 2 The officer was summoned to the island by Choose one answer. a. the smoke b. the plane's wreckage c. Ralph's cry d. the blare of the conch 31 Marks: 2 Ralph was elected leader of the group because Choose one answer. a. he fought Jack b. he had the conch c. he could protect them from the "beastie" d. he insisted on being first

hello...WOW!? Yahoo!My Yahoo!Mail Make Y! your home pageYahoo! SearchSearch:Welcome, hellzking1 [Sign Out, My Account]Answers Home -Forum -Blog -Help Ask Answer Discover Search for questions: Advanced My Profile Home > Entertainment & Music > Polls & Surveys > Resolved Question Slim Shady of Judah Member since: April 06, 2008 Total points: 74 (Level 1) Add to My Contacts Block User Resolved QuestionShow me another » Poll: Did you like The Oddysey or The Iliad better? I liked the Iliad better. This was my favorite part: Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another. And which of the gods was it that set them on to quarrel? It was the son of Jove and Leto; for he was angry with the king and sent a pestilence upon the host to plague the people, because the son of Atreus had dishonoured Chryses his priest. Now Chryses had come to the ships of the Achaeans to free his daughter, and had brought with him a great ransom: moreover he bore in his hand the sceptre of Apollo wreathed with a suppliant's wreath and he besought the Achaeans, but most of all the two sons of Atreus, who were their chiefs. "Sons of Atreus," he cried, "and all other Achaeans, may the gods who dwell in Olympus grant you to sack the city of Priam, and to reach your homes in safety; but free my daughter, and accept a ransom for her, in reverence to Apollo, son of Jove." On this the rest of the Achaeans with one voice were for respecting the priest and taking the ransom that he offered; but not so Agamemnon, who spoke fiercely to him and sent him roughly away. "Old man," said he, "let me not find you tarrying about our ships, nor yet coming hereafter. Your sceptre of the god and your wreath shall profit you nothing. I will not free her. She shall grow old in my house at Argos far from her own home, busying herself with her loom and visiting my couch; so go, and do not provoke me or it shall be the worse for you." The old man feared him and obeyed. Not a word he spoke, but went by the shore of the sounding sea and prayed apart to King Apollo whom lovely Leto had borne. "Hear me," he cried, "O god of the silver bow, that protectest Chryse and holy Cilla and rulest Tenedos with thy might, hear me oh thou of Sminthe. If I have ever decked your temple with garlands, or burned your thigh-bones in fat of bulls or goats, grant my prayer, and let your arrows avenge these my tears upon the Danaans." Thus did he pray, and Apollo heard his prayer. He came down furious from the summits of Olympus, with his bow and his quiver upon his shoulder, and the arrows rattled on his back with the rage that trembled within him. He sat himself down away from the ships with a face as dark as night, and his silver bow rang death as he shot his arrow in the midst of them. First he smote their mules and their hounds, but presently he aimed his shafts at the people themselves, and all day long the pyres of the dead were burning. For nine whole days he shot his arrows among the people, but upon the tenth day Achilles called them in assembly- moved thereto by Juno, who saw the Achaeans in their death-throes and had compassion upon them. Then, when they were got together, he rose and spoke among them. "Son of Atreus," said he, "I deem that we should now turn roving home if we would escape destruction, for we are being cut down by war and pestilence at once. Let us ask some priest or prophet, or some reader of dreams (for dreams, too, are of Jove) who can tell us why Phoebus Apollo is so angry, and say whether it is for some vow that we have broken, or hecatomb that we have not offered, and whether he will accept the savour of lambs and goats without blemish, so as to take away the plague from us." With these words he sat down, and Calchas son of Thestor, wisest of augurs, who knew things past present and to come, rose to speak. He it was who had guided the Achaeans with their fleet to Ilius, through the prophesyings with which Phoebus Apollo had inspired him. With all sincerity and goodwill he addressed them thus:- "Achilles, loved of heaven, you bid me tell you about the anger of King Apollo, I will therefore do so; but consider first and swear that you will stand by me heartily in word and deed, for I know that I shall offend one who rules the Argives with might, to whom all the Achaeans are in subjection. A plain man cannot stand against the anger of a king, who if he swallow his displeasure now, will yet nurse revenge till he has wreaked it. Consider, therefore, whether or no you will protect me." And Achilles answered, "Fear not, but speak as it is borne in upon you from heaven, for by Apollo, Calchas, to whom you pray, and whose oracles you reveal to us, not a Danaan at our ships shall lay his hand upon you, while I yet live to look upon the face of the earth- no, not though you name Agamemnon himself, who is by far the foremost of the Achaeans." Thereon the seer spoke boldly. "The god," he said, "is angry neither about vow nor hecatomb, but for his priest's sake, whom Agamemnon has dishonoured, in that he would not free his daughter nor take a ransom for her; therefore has he sent these evils upon us, and will yet send others. He will not deliver the Danaans from this pestilence till Agamemnon has restored the girl without fee or ransom to her father, and has sent a holy hecatomb to Chryse. Thus we may perhaps appease him." With these words he sat down, and Agamemnon rose in anger. His heart was black with rage, and his eyes flashed fire as he scowled on Calchas and said, "Seer of evil, you never yet prophesied smooth things concerning me, but have ever loved to foretell that which was evil. You have brought me neither comfort nor performance; and now you come seeing among Danaans, and saying that Apollo has plagued us because I would not take a ransom for this girl, the daughter of Chryses. I have set my heart on keeping her in my own house, for I love her better even than my own wife Clytemnestra, whose peer she is alike in form and feature, in understanding and accomplishments. Still I will give her up if I must, for I would have the people live, not die; but you must find me a prize instead, or I alone among the Argives shall be without one. This is not well; for you behold, all of you, that my prize is to go elsewhither." And Achilles answered, "Most noble son of Atreus, covetous beyond all mankind, how shall the Achaeans find you another prize? We have no common store from which to take one. Those we took from the cities have been awarded; we cannot disallow the awards that have been made already. Give this girl, therefore, to the god, and if ever Jove grants us to sack the city of Troy we will requite you three and fourfold." Then Agamemnon said, "Achilles, valiant though you be, you shall not thus outwit me. You shall not overreach and you shall not persuade me. Are you to keep your own prize, while I sit tamely under my loss and give up the girl at your bidding? Let the Achaeans find me a prize in fair exchange to my liking, or I will come and take your own, or that of Ajax or of Ulysses; and he to whomsoever I may come shall rue my coming. But of this we will take thought hereafter; for the present, let us draw a ship into the sea, and find a crew for her expressly; let us put a hecatomb on board, and let us send Chryseis also; further, let some chief man among us be in command, either Ajax, or Idomeneus, or yourself, son of Peleus, mighty warrior that you are, that we may offer sacrifice and appease the the anger of the god." Achilles scowled at him and answered, "You are steeped in insolence and lust of gain. With what heart can any of the Achaeans do your bidding, either on foray or in open fighting? I came not warring here for any ill the Trojans had done me. I have no quarrel with them. They have not raided my cattle nor my horses, nor cut down my harvests on the rich plains of Phthia; for between me and them there is a great space, both mountain and sounding sea. We have followed you, Sir Insolence! for your pleasure, not ours- to gain satisfaction from the Trojans for your shameless self and for Menelaus. You forget this, and threaten to rob me of the prize for which I have toiled, and which the sons of the Achaeans have given me. Never when the Achaeans sack any rich city of the Trojans do I receive so good a prize as you do, though it is my hands that do the better part of the fighting. When the sharing comes, your share is far the largest, and I, forsooth, must go back to my ships, take what I can get and be thankful, when my labour of fighting is done. Now, therefore, I shall go back to Phthia; it will be much better for me to return home with my ships, for I will not stay here dishonoured to gather gold and substance for you." And Agamemnon answered, "Fly if you will, I shall make you no prayers to stay you. I have others here who will do me honour, and above all Jove, the lord of counsel. There is no king here so hateful to me as you are, for you are ever quarrelsome and ill affected. What though you be brave? Was it not heaven that made you so? Go home, then, with your ships and comrades to lord it over the Myrmidons. I care neither for you nor for your anger; and thus will I do: since Phoebus Apollo is taking Chryseis from me, I shall send her with my ship and my followers, but I shall come to your tent and take your own prize Briseis, that you may learn how much stronger I am than you are, and that another may fear to set himself up as equal or comparable with me." The son of Peleus was furious, and his heart within his shaggy breast was divided whether to draw his sword, push the others aside, and kill the son of Atreus, or to restrain himself and check his anger. While he was thus in two minds, and was drawing his mighty sword from its scabbard, Minerva came down from heaven (for Juno had sent her in the love she bore to them both), and seized the son of Peleus by his yellow hair, visible to him alone, for of the others no man could see her. Achilles turned in amaze, and by the fire that flashed from her eyes at once knew t